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MEPs fear EU aid to Baltic countries will decline

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~knut albers [24.10.2012, 11:42]

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If the Baltic countries are so competitive and fastgrowing, why do they care about EUsubsidies? Afraid for new holes in the budget? I am curious how fast Estonia will still grow if the EU takes all aid away. Reply to the comment

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~Mark [24.10.2012, 12:35]

STOP aiding the Baltic countries, it creates a new kind of dependency.

They say all the time they are entitled to it, and can stand on their own feet.

They've had 20 years to get their act together, the same time that Germany could entirely rebuild and restructure East Germany unaided.

Now it's time to give these unmerited subsidies the chop, then we'll see if Latvia is going to join the Euro tomorrow and whether Estonia could manage to join the Euro without massive band-aids and cash.

~stop aiding the Baltics [25.10.2012, 09:45]

Your idiotic fantasies of EU funds being cut off is not only ludicrous, but impossible. ALL EU states receive various funding for various purposes and NO country is ever going to be cut off entirely. CAP alone is over 1/3 of the EU budget. Better to stick to Harry Potter or Twilight to statisfy your need for fantasy.

~Blah, blah blah [25.10.2012, 12:24]

Why are they planning to halt free "transfers" to Greece.

~than tell me clown [25.10.2012, 16:26]

"ALL EU states receive various funding for various purposes and NO country is ever going to be cut off entirely"

Yes maybe but those countries like France don't EXPECT to have a one way traffic.
In WESTERN Europe they call it "give & take".

In countries like Estonia they call it "take, take take".....hey ??
What does that word mean??
It means they even get FOOD AID,like a third world country or people starve.

What you on about? "give"??
Give what?
You crazy??

You guys in Estonia still don't understand the first thing about Europe.
You think we are all here to give you loads of free money.
Well this time is coming to an end.

~Estonia sux [25.10.2012, 20:55]

Every time you make your uninformed, idiotic and fantastical statements, I am going to call you out on them and demand proof. For example, you said 'What you on about? "give"?? Give what?' Links showing that Estonia does not contribute ANYTHING to the EU budget.

Then there is 'It means they even get FOOD AID,like a third world country or people starve.' Well, we must be in good company as a third world country because 2.8 million people in France receive EU food aid too!

~LOL at the village idiot [25.10.2012, 23:12]

I suppose you never heard of Coluche or Abbe Pierre?
You are too stupid pig headed and ignorant in Estonia,

Do you have anything remotely resembling what they did? eg. hint hint?
"Restos du cœur"

NO!
Well you can shut up now can't you?

You wouldnt even know where to start.

~Estonians are just plain ignorant [25.10.2012, 23:27]

As usual, you can not address the issues at hand directly nor can you pony up proof to back up your BS claims. The proof man, where is the PROOF?

~LOL at the village idiot [26.10.2012, 00:16]

Propaganda guy. Are you dumb enough to believe that Estonia is a net payer. Ask your finance ministry to provide figures, that is unless they are milking EU like greeks by faking documents.

~hiist [26.10.2012, 18:31]

FYI EU-Food Aid regulation says, that the state certified the organizations of distribution. "Restaurants du Coeur" is one of four distributors in France who are certificated and receive money/ products/ food from the EU-MDP-Programme. It is the same in Estonia. So, there is nothing special in your "Restos du coeur", Eesti=No. You can read on France24.com, and "REGULATION (EU) No 121/2012 OF THE EUROPEAN PARLIAMENT AND OF THE COUNCIL
of 15 February 2012
amending Council Regulations (EC) No 1290/2005 and (EC) No 1234/2007 as regards distribution of food products to the most deprived persons in the Union".
It is really sad that in the EU (including the net-payers) it is nescessary to distribute food. In the end the receiver are the poorest and in need of solidarity. But may be poor french (or "western" people) are like the pigs in Orwells "animal farm"...

~Propaganda guy? [26.10.2012, 19:49]

France is like a hundred times larger country than your pathetic Eesti. How do you know most of the food aid receivers are not Tunisians or other poor immigrants, retard.

~propaganda moron dingbat [26.10.2012, 21:26]

Actually France has roughly 50X the population of Estonia.

Estonia has the surface area of 45,230 km²
France has 674,800 km² so about 15x larger.

France has a rather well developed social and medical system, which absorbs more as a % of GDP than any other EU country.
However there are a number of minorities that have no access to this system

Of the roughly 8.3% of the Continental french population of 63m, 31% of that is of north African origin.

This would mean roughly the equivalent of more than entire population of Estonia + another 300 000 (1.29m Estonia population) would be in a fragile or socially underprivileged class.

In Estonia it has a rather poorly developed social & medical insurance system where large numbers are deliberately excluded.

These would appear to include normally WELL covered social classes in the rest of the EU, such as Portuguese, Spanish, UK nationals & Italians which constitute a large minority of foreign nationals in France, who would be properly covered and not need food aid.
(several million)

In addition to this, HIV infection rates are considered to be largely out of control in Eastern Europe while Estonia has by far, the highest infection rate in the EU at present.

This would appear to reflect on its very poor record of looking after the roughly
420 000 foreign minority nationals who live there.

I would venture to say the food aid question goes to the poorest part of the population and by percentage this is 34% of the Estonian population.

In France although being only 2.5% of the population the actual number could easily by higher than that of Estonia.

This would easily explain why "Restos du coeur", which was designed to be only temporary is still with us some 30 years later.

~lets get the figures straight [26.10.2012, 23:08]

Even if you accept 2.8 million French get food aid (which I don't),it still makes a huge credibility gap as to why "independent" Estonia after 20 years of massive EU subsidy, needs this:-

"The estimated number of beneficiaries is 129,500, also a record. The value of the aid this year is 2.2 million euros".

As a proportion of the entire Estonian population it represents 10%,-

whereas even after using your (dubious) figures it represents no more than 4.4% of the French population.

~more figures and crap [26.10.2012, 23:22]

Blah, blah, blah. You said Estonia is a third world country because it receives EU food aid. 2.8 people in France also receive EU food aid, so, by your definition, France is a third world country too. No ifs, ands or buts.

~@47 IQ [27.10.2012, 00:52]

Are you seriously going to compare a situation of a country which produces cars, airplanes and everything worth value to an ex-soviet failed state like Estonia. Again. France obviously has a lot of immigrants, thus the number. Get that to your thick skull.

~smug estonians [27.10.2012, 03:28]

What is even sadder to see, it's absolutely certain Mr IQ47 has never even been near France, let alone made any attempt to learn french.
It must be said is far more useful worldwide language than some impossible jelly dialect from a village on the Baltic coast.

But there again in France, they don't FORCE you to learn French or fine shop keepers, or refuse you medical services if you don't.

It just wouldn't be in the interests of say a Turkish or Russian restaurant not to!

You read the article MEP's are prepared to lobby for even more EU money.

I will write to my MEP, showing the posts from our Estonian friends in BBN, and say CUT IT OFF. They don't merit any of it!

~smug Estonians 2 [27.10.2012, 10:06]

And your MEP will react like the other institutions...Was it not you Eesti=No who wanted to sue Estonia as the border guards treated you and your family correctly (in opposite to your opinion) at the European Court of Human Rights? May be you should also mention your racism your negativism about the EU. Or is your MEP part of the right-wing extremists? Would not surprise me....Even I still wonder how it comes that people can be happy with such a deep hate. Everbody can also ask an MEP to do something. The reaction will disappoint you. But I am pretty sure you can turn it into a success for yourself, even rationale people will explain it differently).

~Propaganda guy? [27.10.2012, 11:20]

Actually there's no problem at all, and I haven't an idea what is all this stuff about Esti=no?
Where do you get all this crap from?

I just raise an e-petition on the UK government web site, and send a request to MEP Nick Farage.

He will back the project and get the neccessary signatures to have the issues of further unproductive spending in Estonia debated in the EU parliament.

I would say, it's about time a lobby were developed to cut out all this rubbish, rather than a lobby to invent ways of wasting EU money in Estonia, just to keep your bankrupt construction sector alive.

Eg.-
Construction of motorways where the traffic density doesn't require it.

Proposition to make a Baltic railway, where there isn't even enough trade to finance the Estonian railway, & almost no traffic now.

(How about 60 people on the Moscow-Tallinn express this week??).

Construction of ultra expensive concert halls in Parnu & Johvi for ONE concert a month?

Being as you don't believe in anything called democracy in Estonia, you wouldn't imagine such things.

http://nigelfaragemep.co.uk/

He did say "The awarding of the Nobel Peace Prize to the EU "brings the award into disrepute".

I would say your ad hominem attacks are prime example of why.

~no worries [27.10.2012, 13:15]

Ad hominem attacks? Take a look in the mirror. I have never said I am Estonian. It is your assumption....But I congratulate to your wise decision for Mr. Farage))) I am waiting for the petition))) And I am waiting more for the exit of the UK out of the EU)))

~Propaganda guy? [27.10.2012, 16:29]

Think dummy, think. If UK leaves EU, than who will provide for you estonian morons.

~sure you aren't [27.10.2012, 16:55]

The UK expenditure for 2004 alone was estimated at about €759 billion & France was estimated at about €801 billion.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Budget_of_the_European_Union

The four largest net recipients as a proportion of GDP are : Lithuania, Estonia, Luxembourg, Hungary.

(FYI Luxembourg's prosperity was formerly based on steel manufacturing. With the decline of that industry, Luxembourg diversified and is now best known for its status as Europe's most powerful investment management centre. It has the ECJ, many European institutions and a population of 517,000 and doubles in population every morning as people drive to work. It also has one of the highest per capita incomes in the world)

The UK will cut out EU aid, and cap its contribution to the EU.
This is the CORRECT approach.

~Estonian morons [28.10.2012, 10:00]

Oh, pooh pooh. Making excuses for Luxembourg, are we. Sorry, but if they are a net recipient like Estonia ( which they are), then all the bile you throw at Estonia for that fact applies to them too. Again I have to tell you, you can't have it both ways.

~@46 IQ [28.10.2012, 15:08]

Luxembourg speaks sport of a German dialect. How many Germans, who are the net payers, understand your Eesti keel.

~truts god dexter [28.10.2012, 15:37]

I don't know how ridiculous you realise how you look.
You've never been anywhere near Luxembourg.

I remember very well when the Grand Duchy had all those steel works, because today they are still located just over the border in Belgium.

Why don't they have them any more?
Because they knew they were in terminal decline,just like they are today in the death throes in neighbouring Thionville.

You see I know what I'm talking about because I have lived in the region and was there only a few months ago (again).

The mere fact you can realise your complete pig ignorance and fail to know that highly profitable companies like EBAY EUROPE, PAY PAL, and many others choose to charge their VAT and pay their corporation tax in Luxembourg, reveals what a total cretin you are.

Also not to put too fine a point on it, Luxembourg is building a new tramway (stupid idea but!), has TGV access direct to Paris in under 2hrs, and has the highest per capita income not just in the EU BUT IN THE WORLD.

Do you realise what a total wanker you are looking, criticising Luxembourg of all places?

~Luxembourg is a good place [28.10.2012, 16:04]

I only used YOUR criterion. YOU are the one who has all sorts of interesting comments about net recipient countries. Too bad for YOUR hate filled rants, Luxembourg is a net recipient too. So, it gets the TGV and has the highest per capita income in the world but it still needs to be a net recipient. By your own ideology that makes them WORSE. Pooh, pooh.

~@43 IQ [28.10.2012, 18:23]

Another fact you got wrong propaganda idiot. Highest per capita in income is Qatar.

~balt ryan save it [28.10.2012, 18:44]

Look at the post just above mine and you will see I quoted YOUR statement about highest per capita income. Your memory retention is fearfully low. You should be it checked out, though it might explain why you still haven't posted the links to prove that nothing is produced in Estonia, that Estonia is a failed state by accepted international definition and that there are 30000 Estonian asylum seekers in Finland.

~@42 IQ [28.10.2012, 19:36]

Luxemburg has a lot of EU institutions, like Belgium. That's why they show up high in the list. It is no economic aid. Anyway, that would be absurd, they have the highest or second highest per capita GDP in the world. You can read about it here:
http://image.guardian.co.uk/sys-files/Guardian/documents/2012/01/26/EU27_Money.pdf

~Mark [29.10.2012, 10:31]

Don't bother explaining it to this Estonian moron, man. You see propaganda ministry hires only retards these days.

~latvian histyr [29.10.2012, 18:43]

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They always have Finland to "leech on". Reply to the comment

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~pierce history surance baltic [24.10.2012, 17:00]

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Where is your link to prove that 30,000 Estonians in Finland are asylum seekers? Put up or shut up. Reply to the comment

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~@47 IQ [27.10.2012, 00:58]

Anyone who lives at the North knows what kind of "workers" these Estonians are.

~uppyty dupity [27.10.2012, 03:30]

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The contributors to the EU budget are:-

Austria
Cyprus (joined 2004)
Germany
Denmark
Finland
France
Ireland
Italy
Netherlands
Sweden
United Kingdom

of which:-

Germany
France
Italy
UK

Contribute the lion's share.

So if the UK left the EU, or refused to pay anything to an unelected organisation which has not signed off its own accounts for a decade.

The whole EU organisation would go BANKRUPT tomorrow, as France & Italy are in no position to increase their contributions

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~Contributors [28.10.2012, 10:16]

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